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As reported elsewhere, the Barley Mow had problems again last night. We didn't have the upstairs room, apparently because last time too many people were coming downstairs to buy the real ales that weren't on upstairs. And they thought there'd be room, but it was pretty crowded and noisy. So there's a new poll on PNN (look in the bottom left corner) asking that perennial question: Where should we go now?

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Date: 2004-01-09 03:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sneerpout.livejournal.com
When do I get to tell London fandom "I told you so?"

Will post at length about this when I'm less busy at work, and when I'm on a slightly longer fuse than I am now.

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Date: 2004-01-09 04:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fishlifter.livejournal.com
When do I get to tell London fandom "I told you so?"

When you find a workable alternative, of course! Provided you don't mind everyone complaining to you when they don't like that either...

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Date: 2004-01-09 04:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sneerpout.livejournal.com
I offered to try a year ago, and am offering again now :o)

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Date: 2004-01-09 04:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sneerpout.livejournal.com
I'm going to sound out a couple of non-LJ Tun regulars by email, with a view to forming a pub committee. If that idea is acceptable, would you be interested in joining it?

Of course, it appears that the former Barley Mow Poster Boy Robert Newman - who was loudly in favour of the pub and poured scorn on "dissenters" who had their reservations about it - now seems to be reinventing himself as the Big Chief New Venue Finder, so my efforts may not be welcome. Again. :o)

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Date: 2004-01-09 04:49 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] flickgc.livejournal.com
Yes, the antics of Mr Newman have been noted...

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Date: 2004-01-09 04:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daveon.livejournal.com
Oh my oh my oh my... what a surprise :)

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Date: 2004-01-09 02:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bohemiancoast.livejournal.com
Yes; it was largely Rob's efforts in stirring up dissent that took us away from the Silver Cross and to the Barley Mow in the first place.

I don't feel equipped to help, really; I couldn't for the life of me see anything at all wrong with the Silver Cross, and hated the Barley Mow passionately. I actually can't manage to envisage a set of circumstances in which any rational person could prefer the BM; I clearly have a blind spot for its merits.

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Date: 2004-01-09 04:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fishlifter.livejournal.com
Good for you. The final sentence of my previous post was serious, though: you may be surprised by many people's inability to distinguish between 'essential' and 'desirable' criteria for pubs, and you may also become very, very tired of people starting sentences that begin: 'What you should do is...'

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Date: 2004-01-09 04:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sneerpout.livejournal.com
Well, I'm well known for my cool head and thick skin [coughs], so if nothing else it'll provide lots of drama for the entertainment of the masses!

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Date: 2004-01-09 05:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gummitch.livejournal.com
I should mention, perhaps, that Farah Mendlesohn is looking for a new venue for the BSFA meetings. While the criteria for the two venues are not necessarily the same, it might be worth comparing notes.

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Date: 2004-01-09 05:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fishlifter.livejournal.com
Because she has a programme of guests booked for the year already (Geoff Ryman on 28 January: come along; bring your friends; join the BSFA), she's hoping to increase the numbers of people who attend -- which would make the room rather too small. And in any case, I think Farah feels the layout as it stands isn't ideal for meetings that includes a guest speaker.

I know how much work it took Paul H to find the current venue (there are some similar criteria as for the First Thursday but some extras: for instance, the BSFA meeting actually needs a separate room because of the guest speaker issue) so although I agree it would be great to have somewhere that works better, I rather doubt it will be easy. I think the Rising Sun is fine for now.

But, as [livejournal.com profile] gummitch says, there could be some useful read-across between the two searches; one might find something which doesn't work for it but which the other could use and so on.

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Date: 2004-01-09 05:48 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] flickgc.livejournal.com
Ah, yes - i suppose so. i don't think I've ever been when there was a guest, but it's not an ideal room.

And it isn't big enough for a much larger group.

Sorry, wasn't thinking.

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Date: 2004-01-09 05:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] del-c.livejournal.com
When do I get to tell London fandom "I told you so?"

Did you? The first comment I ever heard from you came well after the Barley Mow was settled on.

Tip: When you arrange for a new venue take care to consult as many Tun-goers as possible first. Make a careful note of the idle bastards who couldn't be arsed expressing an opinion beforehand, then jump on them hard if they have the gall to whinge after the fact.

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Date: 2004-01-09 06:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sneerpout.livejournal.com
The first comment I ever heard from you came well after the Barley Mow was settled on.

If you mean this (http://www.livejournal.com/community/anonymousclaire/204988.html), it came just before the second Mow meeting, which is hardly "well after" the pub was settled. I'd made other similar comments in various people's journals before that but I have no idea where!

I was very vocal about the unsuitability of the Mow before some of the regular problems started occurring. I took brickbats from a number of people then and I doubt that'll change much now! :o)

One way of doing it might be to leaflet the next Tun, with different options to tick and plenty of space to write "I'm going to disagree with anything you choose to do while withholding my own suggestions".

:o)

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Date: 2004-01-09 04:53 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] timill
People should not forget that there's already a discussion list at akicif.net - to join, go to http://akicif.net/mailman/listinfo/tun-discuss_akicif.net (or so it says on PNN).

Remember: it has to be a large empty pub in Central London close to the underground with good cheap food and excellent beer. Wonder why we can never find one...?

Tim

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Date: 2004-01-09 05:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gummitch.livejournal.com
...a large, empty pub in Central London close to the underground with good cheap food and excellent beer.

As I've said before, with any list of criteria for a 'Ton venue you can have all of them except for one.

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Date: 2004-01-09 07:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lproven.livejournal.com
Best bet, ISTM, is Penderel's Oak, already used by ZZ9 and the London PerlMongers and formerly used by Skeptics in the Pub.

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Date: 2004-01-09 07:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ajshepherd.livejournal.com
That pub does tend to be fairly heaving earlier on though. Early arrivals will be lucky to find seats going spare.

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Date: 2004-01-09 07:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lproven.livejournal.com
Anyone asked them if we can reserve a space?

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Date: 2004-01-09 10:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ffutures.livejournal.com
Can I once again put in a plea for a pub that (a) has reasonable prices for soft drinks (I really don't give a toss if it has real ale or not, but I strongly resent paying £1.50 for a 200ml glass of tepid generic diet cola) and (b) is reasonably accessible by road and has some motorbike parking available within easy walking distance.

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Date: 2004-01-09 10:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] davidstewart.livejournal.com
Now, bear in mind I've never been in either of the following pubs,so treat the following suggestions with care.
The London Macintosh Users Group is meeting on Monday in The Clarence Pub on Dover Street near Green Park.
In the past the LMUG met at the "Crown and Two Chairmen" near Oxford Street. I don't know why they changed.
Like I said, I've never been in either pub but if they are/were suitable for LMUG, they might be worth checking out for the 'Tun. LMUG's Website is http://www.lmug.org.uk and you will find e-mail links there to the committee members if you want to contact them.

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Date: 2004-01-12 04:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jamesb.livejournal.com
Dave is it worth commuting to, you know, at a few eurpo a throw, we could have sci-fi club meeting there too, what do you think?

Jumbo

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