State of the World
Sep. 17th, 2004 11:00 amSo, disregarding the dodgy anecdotal evidence, how are the developing countries and the world's poor actually doing from globalisation? Karl Schroeder (an excellent SF author whose novels Ventus and Permanence you should all read) has posted some figures from the UN. And the answer is, they're doing very well indeed.
From 1982 to 2002:
Apparently, the world is not going to hell in a handbasket, but rather in the other direction.
From 1982 to 2002:
- World infant mortality per 1000 live births dropped from 86.7 to 52.4
- Calories of food per capita in poor countries went from 2382 to 2740
- Percentage of households with access to safe water supplies went from 60.7% to 80.9% -- more households now have safe water than the total number of households in 1982, I should imagine
- Literacy rate in poor and middle income countries went from 64.7% to 78%
- World life expectancy went from 56.8 years to 63.8 years, despite the impact of AIDS
Apparently, the world is not going to hell in a handbasket, but rather in the other direction.
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Date: 2004-09-17 06:19 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2004-09-17 06:33 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2004-09-17 07:09 am (UTC)Deforestation is showing every sign of improving -- it's slowing down in developing countries, and has already been reversed in the developed world where the forests have been growing for decades.
Water shortage, desertification and resource depletion are essentially all about energy shortage -- with plenty of energy, you can make all the water you want, and substitute for most resources. Fortunately, nuclear fission can provide all the energy we need for some centuries to come, once it overcomes its PR problems, since uranium is one resource that isn't in particularly short supply.
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Date: 2004-09-17 07:28 am (UTC)Then some plants were introduced.
There is now a full scale rain forest on the mountain, rather against all the theories that say rain forests have to evolve over hundreds of millennia.
The result implies that rain forests can be reinstated (given the political will).
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Date: 2004-09-17 07:59 am (UTC)Precisely. But political will requires politicians to think long-term, and very few of them do. I see not the slightest political will to -- for example -- stop turning the Amazonian forests into cattle pasture.
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Date: 2004-09-17 10:40 am (UTC)The soil nutrients on Ascension will not have been used much. In a rain forest most of the nutrients are in the forest, not the soil. Chop down the trees and cart them away for wood, and you have an impoverished soil which can't regrow.
What Ascension shows is that rain forests can fill land that is ready for them, but land in clearcut rain forest won't be ready.
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Date: 2004-09-18 02:13 am (UTC)That's part of the point - the lack of nutrients isn't the barrier they thought it was.
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Date: 2004-09-18 02:49 am (UTC)I find it hard to believe that a full rain forest can grow ex nihilo. I also find it hard to believe that there was a 'bare' mountainside with no nutrients whatsoever. I suspect that at the very least there will be quite literally a shitload of guano, and since this is rich in nitrates, one of the key nutrients missing from established rain forest soil, this could explain a lot of the sudden growth.
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Date: 2004-09-17 08:12 am (UTC)This is nonsense (of Lombergian proportions). Anthropogenic climate change will alter the global eco-system, causing major disruption to (most obviously) global agriculture. The suggestion that this will be a bearable once-off cost of a few hundred billions (where did this figure you quote come from?) is preposterous -- the wrenching reorganisation of human society that climate change will impose is more likely to result in continuing year-on-year reductions of trillions in global GDP (assuming by 2100 anyone is bothering to measure such abstractions).
nuclear fission can provide all the energy we need for some centuries to come, once it overcomes its PR problems
You think it will? Obviously. But in my view the potential terrorist threat now associated with nuclear waste and nuclear reprocessing (it doesn't matter whether the threat is "real" -- the government acts as thoguh it were, and would like us to as well) and the elimination of democratic freedoms that will be required to keep that threat at bay will doom it irrevocably.
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Date: 2004-09-17 08:25 am (UTC)As far as nuclear fission goes, once people start freezing, starving and dying of thirst because of power shortages, a rather different view of the risks will be taken.
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Date: 2004-09-17 08:36 am (UTC)I'm now slightly confused about your costings for global warming. You initially said that they would be "once only", but now refer to an annual cost. That makes more sense....but, like most UN stuff, probably understates the position. Approaching the question from an economic perspective means that the ecological tends to be overlooked -- and it's ecology that really matters here. Complex species such as ourselves rely on a biodiverse world to support us; without that biodiversity, we disappear. All the technology in the world can't compensate for the potential loss of the soil bacteria on which our food crops depend.
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Date: 2004-09-17 08:43 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2004-09-17 08:56 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2004-09-17 09:34 am (UTC)But specifically, on soil bacteria (or biodiversity in general): the evidence for the potential effect of climate change has to be inferred, but is based on the fact that the majority of the world's organisms inhabit a very narrow temperature range, and have difficulty surviving outside the one to which they've adapated. An increase of 3-5 degrees in average temperature is thought to be sufficient to place an organism outside its normal range. Given that tropical soils are generally less fertile than temperate ones, it should be clear what drives the concern for the potential effect of climate change on temperate soils and their micro-organisms.
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Date: 2004-09-17 02:20 pm (UTC)We've got a long way to go, but I think we need to recognize what we've done.
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